I just installed one of these new chargers in my Ranger 375V and think it is not working correctly. I have a combination starting/deep cycle battery and two deep cycle trolling motor batteries. I have hooked up everything correctly. After 10 hours, the battery charger still shows the batteries charging (they were almost fully charged when I started). The charger is also very hot (too hot to hold your hand on). I hooked up my Schumaker charger and it shows all three batteries fully charged.
Do you think I just got a bad charger from BassPro? Or do you think I did something wrong in the installation?
Thanks in advance for any help offered! Re: Basspro Promax 5/5/5 i onboard Battery Charger Qusestion Do you have the charging leads marked 'starting battery' going to your combo battery? Mixing starting and deep cycle trolling batteries shouldn't affect anything.
Mixing batteries of different age can. Lead Acid and AGM batteries can be mixed, but GEL batteries cannot. Make sure your charger is set to the correct charging profile (AGM/Lead Acid or GEL). They are supposed to come from the factory preset to AGM/Lead Acid, but I would check. Re: Basspro Promax 5/5/5 i onboard Battery Charger Qusestion I just checked the voltages (using my cheap Walmart Volt Meter). All three batteries show 12v when the charger is off.
With the charger on, the starting motor battery shows 13.5V and both trolling motor batteries show 13V. I can here the water 'bubbling' in each of the 3 batteries. I think the charger has something wrong with it. As I mentioned before, both of my Schumaker chargers show all 3 batteries fully charged. Do these voltage readings sound about right? Re: Basspro Promax 5/5/5 i onboard Battery Charger Qusestion Thanks for the reply, Silvertip. I agree with you that having all three batteries bad is unlikely.
I guess it could happen though, but the fact that all three show 100% charged on my other charger would also lead you to believe the charger is bad. Too bad I didn't try the charger before I hooked everything up and routed the wires and tie wrapped them Oh well, gives me something to do lol. I will try the next one before I make the final installation. I really don't like where I have to mount this thing, but it is the only place to put it. I have it in the battery/fuel tank area of my Ranger 375V. That puts it only about 4 inches from the side of the charger to the front of my 24 gallon plastic fuel tank. Anyway, thanks for the info.
Re: Basspro Promax 5/5/5 i onboard Battery Charger Qusestion How old are the batteries? Just because they show 100% on a charger does not mean they are good batteries. The moment you apply a load they drop like a rock. Pull the batteries first and have them load tested. Any auto store will do that for you. Regardless, a three bank charger is essentially three individual chargers in a single package.
It would be equally unlikely that the 'taper circuitry' on all three banks would be bad - with one exception. Some multi-bank chargers actually load share, meaning when one battery is topped off, that bank begins to help out another bank on which its battery may not yet be topped off. In that case, I can see a common fault in that circuitry screwing things up. One way to test this is to disconnect all but one of the outputs. See if it seems to work ok.
Then disconnect that output and reconnect another. Repeat this process for all three outputs to verify that each works separately. Then try it in pairs: 1 & 2, 1 & 3, and then 2 & 3.
If you detect a problem in any combination, you have a bad charger. Re: Basspro Promax 5/5/5 i onboard Battery Charger Qusestion Thanks, Silvertip again. The batteries are 3 year old Everstart Walmart Batteries that are kept inside during the winter and frequently charged. I don't know if my charger 'shares' as you say, but it does say that if one battery only requires 2 amps of charge, the other 3 amps per bank go to the other batteries. I don't know if that is sharing or not. I know batteries can do weird thinga nd having three dead ones, would not surprise me. I got almost 10 years out of the original Delco Voyagers that were in the boat when I purchased it new.
I don't know how long a Wally World one would last though. The three bank charger is a Basspro (ProMariner) model XPS 5/5/5i. Again, thanks for the help. Re: Basspro Promax 5/5/5 i onboard Battery Charger Qusestion It appears your charger indeed 'load shares'. What that means is that if one or two batteries are fully charged and one still requires charging, the two outputs feeding the full batteries can provide additional current to the third. It is very possible then that you have just one bad battery and all three outputs are attempting to keep it fully charged, hence the boiling. I suggest you check water level and top off with distilled water if low.
Some batteries you cannot check, and others require removal of a label to access the caps. What I'm getting at is that your charger may be working and you may indeed have one or more bad batteries. That would also account for why the charger is hot to the touch - it's working at near capacity trying to charge a bad battery. Re: Basspro Promax 5/5/5 i onboard Battery Charger Qusestion Thanks again, Silvertip. I checked the water level in the two trolling motor batteries before I installed them and they were fine. I already had put the starting motor battery in to run the trim on the boat when I took it out of storage and did not check the fluid level in it. I will check all three again.
BassPro has already agreed to replace this charger, but I just wanted to make sure it was the problem first. I will probably pull this one and send it back to BassPro. When I get the new one, I will hook everything up and try it before I complete the installation. I will also take the batteries out and have them load tested while I await the delivery of the new charger. I appreciate the time you have taken to respond to my post.
People like you are what make this forum so great. You have any recommendations for replacement batteries if I need them? I loved the Voyagers I had, but they are hard to purchase around here. Again, thanks! Re: Basspro Promax 5/5/5 i onboard Battery Charger Qusestion My trolling motor battery get's a very hard workout with three week-long fishing trips each year in addition to all of the shorter trips so I replace that battery and the starting battery every four years whether they need it or not. If run big water and cannot have a battery failure.
If I'm at the dock any time during the day the charger gets plugged in. I actually have two. One 6A Guest for the troller battery and a Schumaker maintainer for the start battery.
The maintainer keeps the starting battery topped off as the live well periodically needs to run overnight. As for battery types, I use the largest lead/acid deep cycle (not a dual purpose) I can find and I'm not partial to any brand. My last one came from Sam's club. Re: Basspro Promax 5/5/5 i onboard Battery Charger Qusestion Thanks, guys for the info. I just gave up. Brasspro sent me the sticker to send it back to them FedEx.
They are going to replace the charger. When I get the new one, I will wire it to the batteries to see if anything is better before I install it permanently. Sounds like you get at least 4 years out of your batteries, Silvertip. This again makes me believe it isn't my batteries. I know I should pull them and have them checked, but that is not easy for me as I have a bad neck and can't lift the damned things.
I always have to get a buddy to do the heavy work. That is why I haven't pulled the bats and taken them in to be load tested. I might have to do that anyway, but will wait to see if the new charger works any differently first. Again, thanks for the responses. When I get the new charger I will update you guys to let you know the final outcome.
I have 3 batteries in my boat; one 12 volt for the engine and components, the other two attached in series to make 24 volts for my trolling motor. I am looking to buy a charger that will be the easiest in terms of charging as so I do not have to manually attach a portable charge. I have seen the on board chargers that will automatically charge the battery when needed and or trickle charge the battery over months for maintenance. One in particular is XPS I 5/5/5 DC SYSTEM 12/24/36 by Bass Pro Shops. Questions. This unit does have 3 banks.
Does this mean I can connect it to my 12v/24v setup; one to each battery without danger of damaging the others?. I understand I do not have to disconnect anything as to charge. Is this correct in my config; just plug the charger in and leave it alone?. The batteries the boat dealer gave me are the type that require water with the removable cell covers; they are not maintenance free.
Now I am accustomed to removing these when placing a regular charger on said batteries as so the cells can “breath”. Do I still need to do this with this type of charger, and if so, how do you do it without acid getting to the other components of the boat. Ventilation is supposed to be an issue but it sounds like people do this in a closed engine compartment. Can I do this with the engine compartment closed, even the trickle charging/months?
I also saw they have an inlet adapter as so you can just plug an extension cord to the boat; I like this idea the best. Also, I picked this up from the dealer with them securing the battery leads with wingnuts on the smaller post. Both in my manual and on the DVD Larson specifically states “not to use wingnuts”.
Am I being a bit anal by going back to the dealer and having them fix it? I imagine I could just get the nuts with Teflon as to lock it, but still unclear on if it is just the wingnuts coming loose, but maybe also using the smaller post. I know there is a concern with these getting very hot and fire as well.
Any other recommendations would be great! Thanks for your help! I'm no expert, but I just hate to see a post go un-answered. I looked at the Bass Pro Shops web site and do see the XPS i 5/5/5 charger, but did not find links to the owners manual that would help answer your questions. I do have a Guest dual onboard smart charger (two banks), so had links to their products and found that they have a triple smart charger in the same series I have that can be configured the way you desire - that is 6 amps at 12V, and 6 amps at 24V. See diagram 7 on page 13 for this configuration. The XPS charger looks to be so similar, it would not surprise me to find Guest (or should I say Marinco) is the OEM.
The charger may be permanently mounted in your boat and connections to your batteries left in place. Here's the features of the Guest charger:.
Ignition Protected (USCF CFR 183.410). IP65 (Splash proof). Short Circuit and over current protected. Reverse Polarity Protected. Safely configured in series or parallel outputs. Humidity: 100% (condensing) humidity soak for 96 hrs.
Vibration and shock: Comply with UL991. Fire Resistance: UL94V0. Multi-bank chargers have a fuse located in the positive and negative legs for added protection (exception “engine start battery” bank only in positive leg). You talk about lead acid batteries. These 'smart chargers' use 'internal micro-controlled timers to transition the charger output voltage from absorption stage to float stage to protect the battery from electrolyte depletion.' I would think that periodic checking of acid levels and addition of distilled water as necessary would still be prudent. As to charging in a closed engine compartment, some ventillation is still needed - for example leaving the engine cover off or ajar at minimum.
These types of charges do generate heat. And have specific mounting requirements, if these requirements are followed, the heat should disapate and not be an issue.
The use of wingnuts is not that big a deal, although I personally would change over to regular nuts - if only to pass a safety inspection. One concern I'd have is the relatively low output of either of these triple bank chargers. 5 or 6 amps is relatively low, and while I don't have the guidelines at hand, I would think this would be fine for up to a group 24 battery, but not much larger, especially if the batteries get fairly depleted during an outing, as the recharge time might be greater than 24 hours.
I also can not speak to the technical questions, only about what I have. I have the Guest charger for 2 batteries like Jim R spoke of. It is permanently mounted in the engine room and on 24/7 when at dock. All leads, including the charger run to threaded posts with wing nuts.
I tighten hand tight then give just a LITTLE extra nudge with plyers and have never had a problem with them loosening. At least in Ohio, they passed the safety inspection. Probably one of the most critical things, tho, is that it is marine grade, e.i. Ignition protected. Anything else is dangerous. Since I pull my batteries and store them in the basement in winter, I also bring home the charger. X force keygen autocad 2012 32 bit free download.
Once a month I plug it in just to keep the batteries topped off. I was told by the yard mechanic this will help prolong their life.
A:Yes, beginning in 2007, all Pro, SE, and XL Series chargers have been equipped with the capability of displaying fault codes. Listed below are the possible fault conditions and what they mean: (These fault codes are also present on all Eagle Series chargers) RED BLINKING LED.NO BATTERY DETECTED This indication occurs whenever the charger circuitry cannot detect a battery. The charger circuitry will not allow charge current to flow under this condition.
With the AC power supply cord unplugged, check the connection to the batteries for proper polarity (black wire to negative or -). Also check for corrosion free secure connections to the battery. Please call the factory at 1-800-742-2740 for further assistance. 2 RED BLINKING LEDS.FORMING STAGE TIMEOUT SHUTDOWN This indication occurs if the battery voltage has not risen above 1.75 volts per cell within the first 3 hours of charging. This indicates a possible battery problem and the charge cycle has been terminated at this point. The charger may be reset by disconnecting and reconnecting the AC power supply cord. Please call the factory at 1-800-742-2740 for further assistance.
3 RED BLINKING LEDS.OVERALL TIMER SHUTDOWN This indication occurs if the charger has not completed the charge cycle within the allowable factory set time period. This indicates a possible battery problem and the charge cycle has been terminated at this point. The charger may be reset by disconnecting and reconnecting the AC power supply cord.
Please call the factory at 1-800-742-2740 for further assistance. 4 RED BLINKING LEDS.INTERNAL OVERTEMP SHUTDOWN This indication occurs if the charger circuitry has detected operating temperatures inside the charger enclosure that are above factory specified levels. This could indicate a possible charger problem and the charge cycle has been terminated.
The charger may be reset by disconnecting and reconnecting the AC power supply cord. Please call the factory at 1-800-742-2740 for further assistance.
5 RED BLINKING LEDS.OVERVOLTAGE PROTECTION This indication occurs if the charger circuitry has detected that the output circuitry is possibly defective. Please discontinue use of the charger and call the factory at 1-800-742-2740. A: Since all of our charging systems consist of totally independent chargers, it is very simple to troubleshoot to see where the problem lies. Simply swap the location of the affected bank and another bank on the two batteries and operate the PCS charger. If the light indications remain the same (same bank still does not light), please call us at 1-800-742-2740 or send us a message using the form below and we will work with you to resolve the problem. If the light indications are reversed on the PCS charger, this indicates that there may be a problem with the battery attached to the bank that will not light.
I purchased an XPS two bank charger last July and it went dead in December. I sent it back and they sent me a refurb unit to replace it under warranty with no hassle. I received it in January and it worked fine until today and the same thing happened. I checked the power source and the fuses and everything looks OK so I'm sure it's dead again. Does anyone have any experience with these and, if so, are they at all durable or am I just unlicky? Also, any suggestions for a unit that will last? I will try to get the unit replaced under warranty again, but I'm not sure if they will send me another.
They kept my receipt last time. I am looking for a two bank charger under $100. Call them up and send it back. I bet the fix it or replace it. They are a good company and they care about their customers.
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I have 2 of them, 3 bank chargers 5/5/5 and they work great. Bought one about 5 years ago and the other 4 years ago. One did break after about 3 years and the warranty is only for a year. Called promariner up ( since they make them) and they replaced the unit. They are good chargers and for they $$ you can't beat them. One question, are you still using the same batteries, both times the charger broke?
I know when my charger went. It was a bad battery that shorted out and fried the charger. I purchased an XPS two bank charger (5/5) about three years ago. It failed just before the warranty was up. I E-mailed the warranty department at promariner and a service rep called and talked to me on the phone about the problem. He told me to ship it back for their evaluation.
They had it for about a month so I emailed them to check on thier findings, they were very apologetic for the delay, it was mid-summer and they were busy. They sent me a brand new promariner model prosport 12, 6/6 (more expensive than the XPS). I have had the replacement for two years now with no problems. I leave it hooked up all winter and check the water level in the batteries frequently. Hey guys, well for starters I had a Guest Onboard 10amp 2 bank charger. This died quickly after I bought the boat as the previous owner had it in storage for 5yrs straight.
Since I had upgraded the trolling motor to a 74lb Minn Kota. I figured I would go and get a Minn Kota battery charger. This was probably 4-5 yrs ago.
It also died within 3 months. I then spent the extra money and got a Dual Pro Charger, 4yrs and counting. They are rugged and have not failed me yet. Looking at the how they are built its not a mystery why they are installed on Ranger boats. You can check out Dual Pro Chargers. I replaced my 2 bank dual pro charger with one of the XPS 5/5/5 triple banks last spring.
I have not had the boat out since last October but, as far as I can tell it is still working fine, but, now that you bring it up, Once I had installed the new XPS charger, my batteries had failed. They were walmart specials about 3 years old so I just figured they were junk. I wondered at the time, if it didn't have something to do with the new charger. Time will tell. I put in some good AC Delco batteries. When I was looking for a new charger I was planning on getting one of the Minkota 330 triple banks off of ebay but, got tired of waiting for the right buy. Then I saw the XPS ones on sale at BPS for something like $80 and punched the ticket.
Now I am hoping it is not a ticket to some cheap Carnival ride.:-. The biggest reason i wont have an old board charger - they take alot of abuse being on the boat while your hitting waves. I have 2 portable smart chargers, a 100' extention cord, and a 2 way water proof splitter that I use exclusively.
In 30 years of boat ownership I've owned about 3 old style chargers. They've never failed, ever. They've gotten run over, the charging gauge smashed in, cords cut. One was left out a couple times charging batteries in the rain but it never failed. Rusted out yes. Reading about all the failures here (you'll read the same kind of failures at other boards too) I'm not really sure whether the convience of OB chargers is worth the price or the obvious potential to breakdown.